Tweets from the collection Evolution discussion on tweetlibrary.com. http://tweetlibrary.com/rmcrob/evolutiondiscussion http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227462213789683713 @rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif But I agree that it is more willful than 'I was born this way' Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:56:32 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227462213789683713 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227462027260600320 @rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif we are still responsible for our actions, and Jesus is still the answer. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:55:47 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227462027260600320 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227461857865236481 @rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif broken psychology (whether from biological sickness or from environment) is still part of the sin sickness Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:55:07 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227461857865236481 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227460929741271040 @joffrethegiant @CulturalSavage @wyclif I think I get that. Psych makes it seem like you are a victim. You can’t help it. Either might be. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:51:26 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227460929741271040 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227459918146457601 @CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif Fuzzy distinction, I know. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:47:25 +0000 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227459918146457601 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227459828900065281 @CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif I'd prefer to keep need based on world view in the realm of logic and will, out of psychology. Keeps it sin. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:47:03 +0000 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227459828900065281 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227459796343848961 @joffrethegiant @CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif ...which they are trying to defend in the first place. It's very insular. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:46:56 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227459796343848961 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227459632057167872 @CulturalSavage @joffrethegiant @wyclif Sparks seemed to be pointing to a Cartesian mindset that cannot accept any uncertainties. B&W only. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:46:16 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227459632057167872 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227459150056153088 @joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif I say compulsion as in a driving need based off of their world view Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:44:22 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227459150056153088 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227458852872937472 @joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif couple that with the inability to face a paradox, and yes. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:43:11 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227458852872937472 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227458812100091905 @joffrethegiant @CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif "Compulsion" is a very powerful and very vague word... Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:43:01 +0000 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227458812100091905 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227458355822739457 @rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif @CulturalSavage I'm updating the conversation linked to as it continues. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:41:12 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227458355822739457 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227458130542485505 @CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif Sounds like that could be shortened to "a need to have the world make sense according to their worldview." Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:40:18 +0000 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227458130542485505 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227457803504205824 @rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif Right, not a mental disorder; a psychological need to have the world make sense according to their worldview Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:39:00 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227457803504205824 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227457174132117505 @joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif Rather, they will construct a persecution reality/complex based on your disagreements. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:36:30 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227457174132117505 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227457116821131264 @joffrethegiant @wyclif @culturalsavage http://t.co/ukvuO3fL #Kindle Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:36:17 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227457116821131264 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227457030833721344 @joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif Since it's a compulsion, there is no logical arguments tat can change the fundy's view of reality. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:35:56 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227457030833721344 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227456985468112896 @joffrethegiant @wyclif @culturalsavage http://t.co/Q9UtwNj2 #Kindle Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:35:45 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227456985468112896 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227456794228822017 @joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif If I remember, it's suggested that it's related to an obsessive compulsion, what they believe must be right Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:35:00 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227456794228822017 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227456777455808512 @joffrethegiant @wyclif @culturalsavage http://t.co/fhZna4vf #Kindle Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:34:56 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227456777455808512 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227456386768986112 @joffrethegiant @wyclif @culturalsavage http://t.co/rCB4ddbH #Kindle Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:33:23 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227456386768986112 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227455809884409856 @joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif Karen Armstrong touches on this (kind of) in 'Battle for God' some. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:31:05 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227455809884409856 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227454591724290048 @joffrethegiant @wyclif @CulturalSavage It’s kind of a side note, but I think there was a reference. I’ll see if I can find it. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:26:15 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227454591724290048 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227454135522447360 @rmcrob @wyclif @culturalsavage I haven't read Sparks. What's gist of argument that fundyism is a psych disorder? Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:24:26 +0000 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227454135522447360 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227452943031492608 This is when I love twitter. @wyclif @CulturalSavage @joffrethegiant http://t.co/buhuPVgA Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:19:42 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227452943031492608 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227450080792301568 @rmcrob @wyclif it is for sure. It's more about a worldview and framework for understanding than doctrinal beliefs. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:08:19 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227450080792301568 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227448515280896001 @wyclif @CulturalSavage Finished reading “God’s Word in Human Words”. Sparks comments that fundyism might be a psych issue. Not Xtian only. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:02:06 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227448515280896001 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227447670065737729 @CulturalSavage @rmcrob That is true, as you can see by that link. It is tied into specific rejection of JEDP. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:58:44 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227447670065737729 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227447401860968448 @CulturalSavage @rmcrob Almost all the YEC people I can think of reject academia in some way. They don't think of YEC as anti-intellectual. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:57:41 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227447401860968448 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227446821922955265 @rmcrob It's an argument about hermeneutics and epistemology, not scientific fact. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:55:22 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227446821922955265 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227446481173504000 @CulturalSavage @rmcrob That, too. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:54:01 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227446481173504000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227446436319608835 @rmcrob It's not an argument about science; it's about (in their mind) the believably/truth/unchanging-ness of the Christian faith Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:53:50 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227446436319608835 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227446358221672449 @rmcrob @CulturalSavage I think many of them don't, because they would say heliocentrism is no longer theoretical like evolution (Behe, &c.) Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:53:32 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227446358221672449 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227446105363841024 @rmcrob 1- probably not. Too many fundamentalists. 2- no, because Evolution is part of the 'liberal agenda". Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:52:31 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227446105363841024 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227445656237789184 @CulturalSavage Will evolution one day be accepted in the same manner? Do YECers see the inconsistency? Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:50:44 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227445656237789184 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227445439862018049 @rmcrob @wyclif @CulturalSavage Pre-modernism science is accepted as fact, simply because 'it's te way it's always been" Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:49:53 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227445439862018049 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227445313101787136 @rmcrob @joffrethegiant Used often when discussing OT/NT legal and forensic issues... Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:49:23 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227445313101787136 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227445281384448000 @rmcrob @wyclif Simply put: Copernicus was widly accepted as proveable truth before the YEC became the 'model of truth' Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:49:15 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227445281384448000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227445121354964994 @joffrethegiant @wyclif Thanks for noticing. The word is a favorite of mine. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:48:37 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227445121354964994 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227444947111010306 @rmcrob @wyclif That was a really sweet use of the word "obviating". Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:47:55 +0000 http://twitter.com/joffrethegiant/statuses/227444947111010306 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227443940750675968 @wyclif I know there are flat earthers out there, but I don’t actually know any unless they are stealthy about it. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:43:55 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227443940750675968 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227443653965148160 @rmcrob B.B. Warfield certainly thought so. I wish I could say that I knew that "no one" rejects heliocentrism (don't ask). Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:42:47 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227443653965148160 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227443614308003840 @wyclif @CulturalSavage Read it quickly. Claims anything other than YEC is heresy. Why not the same for Copernicus? Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:42:38 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227443614308003840 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227442935996772352 @wyclif My point exactly. No one rejects heliocentrism. I see an inconsistency there. One can accept both evolution & creation, though. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:39:56 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227442935996772352 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227442924810551296 @CulturalSavage @rmcrob Here's an example of the view I'm talking about: http://t.co/E9ZiP8LD Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:39:53 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227442924810551296 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227442384298983424 @rmcrob @wyclif That being said, YECers tend to ignore that they except scientific models that were created *after* the cannon was closed Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:37:44 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227442384298983424 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227441995331801089 @rmcrob Even in a "primitive" understanding, it's not enough to base a planetary model off of. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:36:12 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227441995331801089 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227441996032262144 @rmcrob For example, Reformed theologian James B. Jordan rejects evolution and affirms creationism, but does not reject heliocentrism. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:36:12 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227441996032262144 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227441973903118337 @rmcrob @wyclif Gen 1 paints God setting lights to govern the day, night, and seasons. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:36:06 +0000 http://twitter.com/CulturalSavage/statuses/227441973903118337 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227441752754237440 @wyclif True. I’m not sure how that affects the argument. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:35:14 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227441752754237440 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227441467872907264 @rmcrob Also, there are many gradations on the "rejecting evolution" plane. Rejecting Darwin's theory, or rejecting extra-Biblical history? Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:34:06 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227441467872907264 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227440993685889024 @wyclif Because they wrote it down? Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:32:13 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227440993685889024 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227440882159333376 @rmcrob How do we really know what was in the mind of the Biblical writers? Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:31:46 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227440882159333376 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227439977624133632 @wyclif Are they not both examples of scientific evidence obviating the simplistic prescientific picture in the mind of the biblical writer? Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:28:10 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227439977624133632 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227439470138503168 @rmcrob Not that I have seen. I don't think those two things are mutual. Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:26:09 +0000 http://twitter.com/wyclif/statuses/227439470138503168 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227439152784887809 Do Christians who reject evolution based on Genesis 1 also reject a heliocentric solar system on the same basis? Mon, 23 Jul 2012 16:24:54 +0000 http://twitter.com/rmcrob/statuses/227439152784887809