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Do Christians who reject evolution based on Genesis 1 also reject a heliocentric solar system on the same basis?

@rmcrob Not that I have seen. I don't think those two things are mutual.

@wyclif Are they not both examples of scientific evidence obviating the simplistic prescientific picture in the mind of the biblical writer?

@rmcrob How do we really know what was in the mind of the Biblical writers?

@wyclif Because they wrote it down?

@rmcrob Also, there are many gradations on the "rejecting evolution" plane. Rejecting Darwin's theory, or rejecting extra-Biblical history?

@wyclif True. I’m not sure how that affects the argument.

@rmcrob @wyclif Gen 1 paints God setting lights to govern the day, night, and seasons.

@rmcrob For example, Reformed theologian James B. Jordan rejects evolution and affirms creationism, but does not reject heliocentrism.

@rmcrob Even in a "primitive" understanding, it's not enough to base a planetary model off of.

@rmcrob @wyclif That being said, YECers tend to ignore that they except scientific models that were created *after* the cannon was closed

@CulturalSavage @rmcrob Here's an example of the view I'm talking about: http://t.co/E9ZiP8LD

@wyclif My point exactly. No one rejects heliocentrism. I see an inconsistency there. One can accept both evolution & creation, though.

@wyclif @CulturalSavage Read it quickly. Claims anything other than YEC is heresy. Why not the same for Copernicus?

@rmcrob B.B. Warfield certainly thought so. I wish I could say that I knew that "no one" rejects heliocentrism (don't ask).

@wyclif I know there are flat earthers out there, but I don’t actually know any unless they are stealthy about it.

@rmcrob @wyclif That was a really sweet use of the word "obviating".

@joffrethegiant @wyclif Thanks for noticing. The word is a favorite of mine.

@rmcrob @wyclif Simply put: Copernicus was widly accepted as proveable truth before the YEC became the 'model of truth'

@rmcrob @joffrethegiant Used often when discussing OT/NT legal and forensic issues...

@rmcrob @wyclif @CulturalSavage Pre-modernism science is accepted as fact, simply because 'it's te way it's always been"

@CulturalSavage Will evolution one day be accepted in the same manner? Do YECers see the inconsistency?

@rmcrob 1- probably not. Too many fundamentalists. 2- no, because Evolution is part of the 'liberal agenda".

@rmcrob @CulturalSavage I think many of them don't, because they would say heliocentrism is no longer theoretical like evolution (Behe, &c.)

@rmcrob It's not an argument about science; it's about (in their mind) the believably/truth/unchanging-ness of the Christian faith

@CulturalSavage @rmcrob That, too.

@rmcrob It's an argument about hermeneutics and epistemology, not scientific fact.

@CulturalSavage @rmcrob Almost all the YEC people I can think of reject academia in some way. They don't think of YEC as anti-intellectual.

@CulturalSavage @rmcrob That is true, as you can see by that link. It is tied into specific rejection of JEDP.

@wyclif @CulturalSavage Finished reading “God’s Word in Human Words”. Sparks comments that fundyism might be a psych issue. Not Xtian only.

@rmcrob @wyclif it is for sure. It's more about a worldview and framework for understanding than doctrinal beliefs.

This is when I love twitter. @wyclif @CulturalSavage @joffrethegiant http://t.co/buhuPVgA

@rmcrob @wyclif @culturalsavage I haven't read Sparks. What's gist of argument that fundyism is a psych disorder?

@joffrethegiant @wyclif @CulturalSavage It’s kind of a side note, but I think there was a reference. I’ll see if I can find it.

@joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif Karen Armstrong touches on this (kind of) in 'Battle for God' some.

@joffrethegiant @wyclif @culturalsavage http://t.co/rCB4ddbH #Kindle

@joffrethegiant @wyclif @culturalsavage http://t.co/fhZna4vf #Kindle

@joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif If I remember, it's suggested that it's related to an obsessive compulsion, what they believe must be right

@joffrethegiant @wyclif @culturalsavage http://t.co/Q9UtwNj2 #Kindle

@joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif Since it's a compulsion, there is no logical arguments tat can change the fundy's view of reality.

@joffrethegiant @wyclif @culturalsavage http://t.co/ukvuO3fL #Kindle

@joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif Rather, they will construct a persecution reality/complex based on your disagreements.

@rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif Right, not a mental disorder; a psychological need to have the world make sense according to their worldview

@CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif Sounds like that could be shortened to "a need to have the world make sense according to their worldview."

@rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif @CulturalSavage I'm updating the conversation linked to as it continues.

@joffrethegiant @CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif "Compulsion" is a very powerful and very vague word...

@joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif couple that with the inability to face a paradox, and yes.

@joffrethegiant @rmcrob @wyclif I say compulsion as in a driving need based off of their world view

@CulturalSavage @joffrethegiant @wyclif Sparks seemed to be pointing to a Cartesian mindset that cannot accept any uncertainties. B&W only.

@joffrethegiant @CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif ...which they are trying to defend in the first place. It's very insular.

@CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif I'd prefer to keep need based on world view in the realm of logic and will, out of psychology. Keeps it sin.

@CulturalSavage @rmcrob @wyclif Fuzzy distinction, I know.

@joffrethegiant @CulturalSavage @wyclif I think I get that. Psych makes it seem like you are a victim. You can’t help it. Either might be.

@rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif broken psychology (whether from biological sickness or from environment) is still part of the sin sickness

@rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif we are still responsible for our actions, and Jesus is still the answer.

@rmcrob @joffrethegiant @wyclif But I agree that it is more willful than 'I was born this way'